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Yeah, because the obvious solution to the problem of having too much bots is… more bots.

Conversations is a XMPP client, it's essentially the same protocol that delivers reliable notifications to every Android, Nintendo switch, etc. Unless you have an Android distro that kills every background app indiscriminately, you will be fine with Conversations delivering messages and notifications to you.

Interestingly, the link you posted relates to Unified Push, which is a protocol that relies on a "distributor" app which acts as a proxy, receiving reliable notifications on behalf of other applications. And it happens that Conversations can be configured as a UP distributor, because of how good it is at that/how well the XMPP protocol lends itself to it.

Long way to say you should give XMPP a shot, it really works well!


I feel we've been there before, I clearly remember the compiz/beryl years: they were not just about bling being added to traditional window manager and desktop environments, new window management paradigms were being experimented with (using 3d walls to stick windows and icons on, circular action menus, etc). Whatever stands to supersede the ubiquitous WIMP paradigm has to come up with substantial gains.

T14 gen7?

Nah, I want serious all-day battery life.

Notebookcheck¹ measured 17.5h of wifi+websurfing battery life and 12.5h at 500+ nits, how long are the days on your planet effectively?

Also, that's on Ryzen AI 7 PRO 450, you might be getting even more out of the Panther Lake alternative.

¹ https://www.notebookcheck.net/Excellent-business-laptop-with...


And how exactly does that matter? How close do you have your head to x86 assembly for the instructions set to matter?

ARM is a fragmented mess compared to x86. Switching to ARM (right now at least) means losing the ease of x86 booting. In the x86 world, trying another Linux distro is as simple as downloading it and putting it on a USB stick. You can be 95% certain it will work. In the ARM world, nothing is standardised, nothing will ever work first time.

There are projects trying to tackle it, but compared to x86 it's a fragmented mess. That's what we're losing with ARM laptops - universal computing.


What makes you think if one ARM manufacturer gets popular ‘clones’ won’t pop-up again?

It's an Acorn microcomputer, I know this!

One key frustration is it’s typically not possible to have an arm distribution that boots across most arm boards, because they have incompatible boot loaders. Ie you have a raspberry pi image and a banana pi image and an orange pi image and the rock pi S image that are all different from each other. There have been some attempts at UEFI on arm that would address this, but it’s nowhere near as consistent or compatible as on the x86 platform side.

People bought IBM clones to run the same software, not for the love of the architecture.

If ARM processors are regularly incompatible and segmented, we all lose out and end up in isolated silos.


A computer is much more than an CPU chip, e.g. "PC 99 System Design Guide", among several other references.

But that's not answering my question? What do you expect to get from today's ARM chips that's fundamentally impossible otherwise? And how is that a step forward?

I know I will never switch to ARM willingly. There is no advantage, only vendor lock-in. I feel that x86's openness was an accident, and we should try to keep x86 alive as long as possible.

It actually was an accident, enabled by IBM using off the self parts unlike their previous computers, and Compaq's clean room reverse engineering of the BIOS.

Again, a computer isn't a chip with nothing else.

In the ARM world, that other part you are completely ignoring isn't standardised, even with device trees, they only help to alleviate the pain that each computer is its own OEM snowflake.


The comment you're replying to is implying that in an ARM world nothing is standard, portable, or compatible by default. Think about smartphones: Every single one a bespoke board with bespoke hardware.

In ARMland, there's no such thing as standard OS images you can install on any machine, or generic components that users can buy and install themselves.


My side of the Engineering discipline is about designing and building plants (energy, pharmaceutical, petrochemical, ...), here standards are written from the blood of the killed or injured, engineers are very aware of it all, and yet, you should see how our C-suite get hyped by the LLM fad, and distributes promotions for whoever is the latest to find new ways to cut new corners or introduce unwarranted randomness in previously well established processes. It's awkward, to say the least.

KDE. KDE is all you need.

If you’re gonna use KDE, just go with Windows. Same UI paradigm and, surprisingly, Windows looks better (that’s how bad KDE looks).

"look, MacOS is following the same trend as windows as to become measurably worse over time, with bloat, slop, user hostile/dark pattern, removing freedoms configuration and escape hatches"

"KDE is immune to those by design"

"Then use Windows"

I'm surely convinced!


One arguably don’t even need KDE any more; the coding models will throw together a perfectly adequate desktop environment.

Why should one use something adequate when something amazing exists?

Not sure what the point of this would be? Devalued street creds for running something nobody else does? Who cares?

Well, it's literally the reason Omarchy exists so some people like it...

> at least the energy comes from solar

If by that you misspelled coal, sure

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-elec-by-source?coun...


Coal in China: dropping year in year out for past two decades as percentage of total energy consumption.

It only started dropping last year and by dropping you mean total % of energy generation because total coal energy production is still going up.

I appreciate the input, maybe tighten up your commentary.

Check the source we're discussing: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-elec-by-source?coun...

As you can see it is percentage of coal as part of total energy mix that has been dropping for two decades.

As already stated above. Perhaps you missed that?

You're correct that absolute tonnage of coal use is still climbing, - but at an ever decreasing rate and was predicted to peak .. of course, thanks to some shenanigans by the Hegseth's of the world that may be deferred for a while, thanks USofA!

Of course on the plus side (for the atmosphere) there's been a drop in global fossil fuel consumption, so swings, arrows.

China, of course, is still well short of total CO2 tonnage lofted over the past century in comparison with the US - even allowing for a vastly greater population.


I understand you're talking about % of energy generation and its fine to highlight it but people here are talking as if % of energy generation means less coal emissions when its actually the complete opposite. There is almost no reason to care about % of energy generation by coal when they add the level of coal production that they've added over the past 15 years. CO2 output producted after 2010 is completely different to CO2 produced pre 1950. The difference is once the world started addressing climate change china went the complete opposite direction and because they can highlight a few stats people endless sweep for them as if they're actually doing something good. They have objectively destroyed the world.

And yet, the single vastly dominant source of electricity at around 55%. It's a long way you go and a long shot to call it clean.

And yet dropping - by a series of deliberate 5 year plans with the goal of building out sufficient renewable energy to phase out coal use altogether.

Kind of like what absolutely isn't happening with the current US administration.


I would say that I've been doing most of that already with a reverse proxy+SSO/IDP for a very long time. Not the same, but close-enough and open to the "traditional internet" in a manner that does not require my users to install and configure tailscale, which is a massive plus. I do appreciate tailscale for the option to keep my effective host IP address hidden/local, but then I've been having a front on the internet (with a public IP/domain/...) for decades and I don't see a problem continuing.

Not even wearing rose tinted glasses right now, for having daily driven them back in the days, maemo and then WebOS had touch ergonomics and multitasking abilities which took Android/iOS decades to incompletely mimic. Maemo/Nokia N900's design principle seems to have been "let's provide the user with desktop-level productivity tools, and shrink the desktop into their pocket", the package was massive for the era's standards, but is tiny for today's, and those dumb-down/low density ergonomics we have now give us less capabilities for more screen estate and weight (even something like an iPod pro is a "dumb" content consumption device in comparison). WebOS on the other hand was not about "producing/delivering on the go" so much as it was about getting your digital must haves (booking an appointment, updating a contact details, moving a meeting, ...) done and out of the way with just a couple key presses and finger flips as so distract as little as possible from the present. Only some advanced Android launchers get close, but it's never the focused, well polished and distraction-free experience it was back then (and for the same reason, Android/iOS are addictive content delivery vehicules meant to sink your eyeballs and time as to sell you stuff or collect and merchandise your data).

I'm interested and wishing to see a future mobile OS that does not pander to the "attention economy" like Android/iOS are, but with billions now addicted and trapped by it, I'm realistic that it won't be an overnight success.


Sailfish OS exists as a continuation of the Maemo project, even shipped their own phone recently.

Yup, I would love to try it in-hands (I looked it up on emulator many years ago, and that was frankly underwhelming). I'm also not sure about their open source situation, which was the premise of this thread.

Yeah, they really did some stupid decisions initially on not open sourcing some apps int eh OS. Thankfully they are now finally reversing that decision.

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